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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://craigpearce.info/public-relations/ex-journalists-should-not-be-the-boss-of-pr/comment-page-1/#comment-2587</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 23:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps the recruiter lacked imagination, Bill. Not the first time that would have occurred. Thanks for your comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps the recruiter lacked imagination, Bill. Not the first time that would have occurred. Thanks for your comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Bennett</title>
		<link>http://craigpearce.info/public-relations/ex-journalists-should-not-be-the-boss-of-pr/comment-page-1/#comment-2586</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 23:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was once head-hunted for a senior PR role. Turned up to the interviews, went part way through the process and was turned down for the job. 

The explanation given was that I was &quot;too much of a journalist&quot;. Whatever that&#039;s supposed to mean.

Presumably some journalists parachuted into these position aren&#039;t &quot;too much of a journalist&quot;.  

But in general, I think you have a point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was once head-hunted for a senior PR role. Turned up to the interviews, went part way through the process and was turned down for the job. </p>
<p>The explanation given was that I was &#8220;too much of a journalist&#8221;. Whatever that&#8217;s supposed to mean.</p>
<p>Presumably some journalists parachuted into these position aren&#8217;t &#8220;too much of a journalist&#8221;.  </p>
<p>But in general, I think you have a point.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://craigpearce.info/public-relations/ex-journalists-should-not-be-the-boss-of-pr/comment-page-1/#comment-2585</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 22:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You sound like my sort of PR professional, Aimee! Honesty and frankness are at the heart - conceptually, practically, ethically - at the heart of what constitutes public relations in my opinion.

Any who don&#039;t subscribe to these notions, I believe, do not deserve to work in this great profession.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You sound like my sort of PR professional, Aimee! Honesty and frankness are at the heart &#8211; conceptually, practically, ethically &#8211; at the heart of what constitutes public relations in my opinion.</p>
<p>Any who don&#8217;t subscribe to these notions, I believe, do not deserve to work in this great profession.</p>
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		<title>By: Aimee Stern</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aimee Stern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 17:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an ex-journalist who still writes and also does PR I think this is a very worthwhile discussion. I am not your basic PR person. I tell clients if I can&#039;t sell a story and explain why, I don&#039;t take clients whose work I don&#039;t believe in, I sometimes offend PR people with my bluntness and I don&#039;t write or pitch media like a PR person. What does this mean? I was not very good at working in an agency nor would I be a good head of corporate PR at a bureaucratic company. But I do know how to get things done, am an expert marketer and am extremely creative when it comes to getting the word out about my clients because I&#039;m not as worried about covering my you know what as a lot of PR people are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an ex-journalist who still writes and also does PR I think this is a very worthwhile discussion. I am not your basic PR person. I tell clients if I can&#8217;t sell a story and explain why, I don&#8217;t take clients whose work I don&#8217;t believe in, I sometimes offend PR people with my bluntness and I don&#8217;t write or pitch media like a PR person. What does this mean? I was not very good at working in an agency nor would I be a good head of corporate PR at a bureaucratic company. But I do know how to get things done, am an expert marketer and am extremely creative when it comes to getting the word out about my clients because I&#8217;m not as worried about covering my you know what as a lot of PR people are.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://craigpearce.info/public-relations/ex-journalists-should-not-be-the-boss-of-pr/comment-page-1/#comment-1594</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 21:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so glad to hear you will use an element of this blog within a uni classroom, Catherine. It is has been one of my hopes that my attempts to blend theory and practicality within my posts will have utility within this environment. I look forward to further comments from you on my posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so glad to hear you will use an element of this blog within a uni classroom, Catherine. It is has been one of my hopes that my attempts to blend theory and practicality within my posts will have utility within this environment. I look forward to further comments from you on my posts.</p>
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		<title>By: Catherine Sweet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catherine Sweet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 20:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig- I&#039;ve been brought to this from your earlier linkedin thread, and I am delighted with it. I know that you are being provocative, but it works! I am a part time lecturer in PR &amp; Communications at a UK university, where I have also been brought in to teach one course for the School of Journalism. Based on twenty five years of contact with journalists who just don&#039;t get it that PR plays on a much bigger playground than they do, I think your summary of the differences between PR and Journalism hits the bullseye. I will use your blog to get the classroom discussion going! I find that the &quot;best&quot; journalists often do make a move into PR at some point in their careers, so I look forward to reading your next input.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig- I&#8217;ve been brought to this from your earlier linkedin thread, and I am delighted with it. I know that you are being provocative, but it works! I am a part time lecturer in PR &amp; Communications at a UK university, where I have also been brought in to teach one course for the School of Journalism. Based on twenty five years of contact with journalists who just don&#8217;t get it that PR plays on a much bigger playground than they do, I think your summary of the differences between PR and Journalism hits the bullseye. I will use your blog to get the classroom discussion going! I find that the &#8220;best&#8221; journalists often do make a move into PR at some point in their careers, so I look forward to reading your next input.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 06:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for input, Steve:

- yes, I admit, I was being deliberately provocative. But I do subscribe to my arguments, nevertheless
- I think when you say that journalists have a negative mentality, that goes some way to supporting my assertion that they are better are destroying than building
 - journos have the potential to be excellent PR bosses, but until they get a grip (conceptually and practically) on the wider remit of the profession, they are profoundly lacking. Most importantly, if they don&#039;t get and don&#039;t aspire to practicing two-way symmetrical communication, then they are selling the profession very short indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for input, Steve:</p>
<p>- yes, I admit, I was being deliberately provocative. But I do subscribe to my arguments, nevertheless<br />
- I think when you say that journalists have a negative mentality, that goes some way to supporting my assertion that they are better are destroying than building<br />
 &#8211; journos have the potential to be excellent PR bosses, but until they get a grip (conceptually and practically) on the wider remit of the profession, they are profoundly lacking. Most importantly, if they don&#8217;t get and don&#8217;t aspire to practicing two-way symmetrical communication, then they are selling the profession very short indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 12:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig, were you deliberately provoking the ire of ex-journos with that title? Journalists switching straight into PR management can be a bad idea, as a former boss of mine proved very well. 

But, speaking as a reporter-turned PR officer, we have skills built through years of news gathering, &#039;client&#039; negotiation and the innate ability to know what will interest a journalist before we fire off a random press release.

&quot;Public relations build. Journalists – after you strip away the spin of being society’s conscience – are too focused on destruction. They, unlike public relations professionals, are problem not solution-oriented.&quot;

Which reporters have you got in mind when you say this? If I just focus on the &#039;problem&#039; line, it&#039;s one area of experience that means journalists can become brilliant crisis communicators (I know you dismised this point but it&#039;s important in some fields). We know how to react quickly to issues while some PRs are left floundering.

And maybe my roles haven&#039;t involved white paper production or round tables but they have included everything else on that arrowed list and my experience as a reporter had a marked effect on the ability to carry those out.

On the other side, it&#039;s true that journalists can have a negative mentality: we spend such a long time looking for corruption, tragedy and heartbreak that it takes a while to shift into the happy positive PR mindset and wholeheartedly promote a product/company/event. That was definitely true when I shifted into PR: the company I moved to was one I used to criticise as a journalist but in the end, one that I felt ethically ok about.

I&#039;d like to hear more opinions from your &#039;modest peer&#039; and whether they have had any good experiences of journo-to-PRs in high positions. In job interviews I&#039;ve had, marketing/sales bosses have generally shown a healthy interest in getting an ex-journo on board because they understand the system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig, were you deliberately provoking the ire of ex-journos with that title? Journalists switching straight into PR management can be a bad idea, as a former boss of mine proved very well. </p>
<p>But, speaking as a reporter-turned PR officer, we have skills built through years of news gathering, &#8216;client&#8217; negotiation and the innate ability to know what will interest a journalist before we fire off a random press release.</p>
<p>&#8220;Public relations build. Journalists – after you strip away the spin of being society’s conscience – are too focused on destruction. They, unlike public relations professionals, are problem not solution-oriented.&#8221;</p>
<p>Which reporters have you got in mind when you say this? If I just focus on the &#8216;problem&#8217; line, it&#8217;s one area of experience that means journalists can become brilliant crisis communicators (I know you dismised this point but it&#8217;s important in some fields). We know how to react quickly to issues while some PRs are left floundering.</p>
<p>And maybe my roles haven&#8217;t involved white paper production or round tables but they have included everything else on that arrowed list and my experience as a reporter had a marked effect on the ability to carry those out.</p>
<p>On the other side, it&#8217;s true that journalists can have a negative mentality: we spend such a long time looking for corruption, tragedy and heartbreak that it takes a while to shift into the happy positive PR mindset and wholeheartedly promote a product/company/event. That was definitely true when I shifted into PR: the company I moved to was one I used to criticise as a journalist but in the end, one that I felt ethically ok about.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to hear more opinions from your &#8216;modest peer&#8217; and whether they have had any good experiences of journo-to-PRs in high positions. In job interviews I&#8217;ve had, marketing/sales bosses have generally shown a healthy interest in getting an ex-journo on board because they understand the system.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://craigpearce.info/public-relations/ex-journalists-should-not-be-the-boss-of-pr/comment-page-1/#comment-1498</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 05:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you are right on all counts, DQ. Thank you to both of your for your thoughts.

In a post to come I focus more on the extensive value ex-journos can bring to the PR function.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you are right on all counts, DQ. Thank you to both of your for your thoughts.</p>
<p>In a post to come I focus more on the extensive value ex-journos can bring to the PR function.</p>
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		<title>By: DQ</title>
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		<dc:creator>DQ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 05:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think in discussion about this, there are two important distinctions (which I think Laura may have missed) - 

Firstly, Craig is talking about NEW ex-journalists moving into PR, and secondly, he is talking about them moving in as HEAD of the function.

I think ex-journos have a lot to bring to a PR department, and many have been very successful in PR, and gone on to become excellent strategic contributors to a business as head of the function. 

However I agree with Craig that a move STRAIGHT from the newsroom to the boardroom is not wise. Good post Craig.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think in discussion about this, there are two important distinctions (which I think Laura may have missed) &#8211; </p>
<p>Firstly, Craig is talking about NEW ex-journalists moving into PR, and secondly, he is talking about them moving in as HEAD of the function.</p>
<p>I think ex-journos have a lot to bring to a PR department, and many have been very successful in PR, and gone on to become excellent strategic contributors to a business as head of the function. </p>
<p>However I agree with Craig that a move STRAIGHT from the newsroom to the boardroom is not wise. Good post Craig.</p>
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